Hook1fred wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:20 amSurgical masks are very similar to the masks everyone used during the pandemic. Our masks are absolutely changed after each case but if you have a long cases like I do you’re in surgery for upwards of 6-8+ hour. Once the surgical suite is opened in a sterile fashion you must wear your mask until the case is done and dressings are put on… so yes our mask is on the entire time
ohhhhh no they are NOT
I still have my lil cloth mask I used...which you and I both know are near worthless
Hook1fred wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:20 amSurgical masks are very similar to the masks everyone used during the pandemic. Our masks are absolutely changed after each case but if you have a long cases like I do you’re in surgery for upwards of 6-8+ hour. Once the surgical suite is opened in a sterile fashion you must wear your mask until the case is done and dressings are put on… so yes our mask is on the entire time
ohhhhh no they are NOT
I still have my lil cloth mask I used...which you and I both know are near worthless
not once did I ever wash that thing
Cloth masks are not what I am referring to. I’m referring to the kn95’s and procedure masks that were used during that time. I’m not here to debate you on whether the masks were effective. I stated that I did not agree with the article that was posted. Since you believe masks are worthless the next time you or a loved one needs surgery please tell them not to wear a mask while they cut you open
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Okay I see what you’re saying. When I wrote “everyone” I wasn’t being literal like everyone one in the world haha. I realize that some folks wore facial coverings and cloth masks. I figured people would follow where I was going with it
Makes sense, just like wearing a welding helmet while I’m welding. When I’m done, it comes off.
Way too many variables to justify wearing a mask all day. Especially driving in your car by yourself. Like when people were wearing rubber gloves pumping gas and then picking up their phone and putting it to their face. @Roncador hit the nail on the head.
I also know a couple surgeons that would agree about the harm caused and one I’ve seen through the whole pandemic that didn’t comply to the forced opinion of our leaders when it came to making patients wear masks etc.
I feel sorry for all the children. My wife’s niece and nephew had to go through the forced mask ordeal. Face masks soaked in snot when they come home from school. Communication skills going backwards. Absolute shame.
Carpkiller wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 1:49 am
So because some male rats wore masks in a lab in Germany...and may have had reproductive health problems...
Pregnant human women are having health issues?
Got it.
Sorry CK, some folks have more in common with rats than with surgeons. Let the reader decide whether rat data or surgeon data is more applicable to themselves.
Can't wait to see a study on rats that shows seat belts and air bags are dangerous.
The Pandemic is officially over so it is useless to debate effectiveness of masks regarding spreading or catching Covid.
Masks absolutely have their uses in surgical situations or when you are sanding drywall for example...
As far as wearing a mask just to be out in public I think some should absolutely wear masks just to hide their ugliness. Oh wait I think that is why so many still do
Hook1fred wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 6:46 pm
28 years working in surgery calling BS on that article.
Don’t you constantly change your mask, never reusing the last one? Don’t you wear a certain graded mask? Also, you’re mask isn’t on all the time, right?
I wear a welding helmet when I weld. It make sense. When I raced motorcycles for 15 years, I wore a helmet and gear. Didn’t wear that gear any other time. So I imagine, wearing a mask during surgery is kind of the same idea
Hook1fred wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 6:46 pm
28 years working in surgery calling BS on that article.
Don’t you constantly change your mask, never reusing the last one? Don’t you wear a certain graded mask? Also, you’re mask isn’t on all the time, right?
I wear a welding helmet when I weld. It make sense. When I raced motorcycles for 15 years, I wore a helmet and gear. Didn’t wear that gear any other time. So I imagine, wearing a mask during surgery is kind of the same idea
there you go!
There you go??? Haha. Maybe read my follow up reply. Masks are sometimes used for 6+ hours straight sometimes much more and have a higher filter rather than cloth and similar filter rates as kn95 and procedure masks. So I’m not sure what the “there you go” is about
I got more dates with the masks. I don't know if it was covering up my ugliness or I was less picky because the mask covered up their ugliness. I still wear a leather mask when I go to our weekly gathering. Got to keep myself safe.
I like to get my information from wild and unaccredited sources that make me believe I am smarter than I actually am. Clearly this article is 100% FACTS and truth everyone.. Here's a shot of me doing my research!
"Please note that this blog is specifically about respirators used by healthcare workers during long shifts and not facemasks worn as barrier control to stop the spread of COVID."
Problems with reading comprehension? The 2nd sign of impending senility. FYI, 1st link doesn't even work.
No reading problem, but the CDC added that warning as it's against the narrative they are promoting!
The following had stunning info after the so-called 'warning':
Healthcare workers (HCW) and first responders often work long, physically and mentally exhausting shifts as they provide care for patients, especially during a public health emergency. These long hours can result in fewer adequate breaks for personal care, nutrition, and hydration. During these extended work shifts, many HCWs are also required to wear personal protective equipment (PPE), which may include N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) elastomeric half-mask respirators, or powered air-supplied respirators (PAPRs). Particular features of PPE can impose a physiological (how the body normally functions) burden on the HCW which can be exacerbated by long work hours without adequate breaks for eating, hydration and self-care.
While every HCW should be medically cleared before wearing respiratory protection, there are still many factors that can exacerbate the PPE burden, including obesity, underlying respiratory conditions (asthma, allergies, COPD, etc.), and smoking. HCWs should be provided regular opportunities to take breaks and a supportive environment to report symptoms related to their PPE use. For example, using an FFR for an extended period may cause dizziness (as well as other symptoms), which could compromise the worker, workplace, and patient safety. Dizziness is an important warning sign, as it can be caused by dehydration, hyperventilation (gasping for breath), elevated carbon dioxide [CO2] levels in the blood, low blood sugar, and anxiety, among other things.
Respirator wearers should be aware of the potential physiological impact of using each type of respirator.
Filtering Facepiece Respirators
An N95 FFR user is always going to experience some level of difficulty breathing, or breathing resistance, even though these devices are designed to minimize breathing resistance as much as possible. Enough breathing resistance could result in a reduction in the frequency and depth of breathing, known as hypoventilation (the opposite of hyperventilation).
Hypoventilation is a primary cause of significant discomfort while wearing an N95 FFR (Williams 2010). However, studies done by Roberge et al. (2010) indicated that this hypoventilation did not pose a significant risk to healthcare workers over the course of less than one hour of continuous N95 use. When HCWs are working longer hours without a break while continuously wearing an N95 FFR, blood CO2 levels may increase past the 1-hour mark, which could have a significant physiological effect on the wearer (Lim et al., 2006)*. Some of the known physiological effects of increased concentrations of CO2 include:
Headache;
Increased pressure inside the skull;
Nervous system changes (e.g., increased pain threshold, reduction in cognition – altered judgement, decreased situational awareness, difficulty coordinating sensory or cognitive, abilities and motor activity, decreased visual acuity, widespread activation of the sympathetic nervous system that can oppose the direct effects of CO2 on the heart and blood vessels);
Increased breathing frequency;
Increased “work of breathing”, which is result of breathing through a filter medium;
Cardiovascular effects (e.g., diminished cardiac contractility, vasodilation of peripheral blood vessels);
Reduced tolerance to lighter workloads.
To fix the problem of breathing too much CO2 that has built up within the respirator facepiece, a worker can simply remove the respirator. Some facilities practice oxygen supplementation during these breaks from respirator use, but there really is no need for this as the oxygen in the environment is more than enough to relieve most of the symptoms listed above.
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study by: June 10, 2020 by Jon Williams, PhD; Jaclyn Krah Cichowicz, MA; Adam Hornbeck, MSN, APRN, FNP-BC, FNP-C; Jonisha Pollard, MS, CPE; and Jeffrey Snyder, MSN, CRNP
Good topic to discuss whether you agree or don't. Thanks Michael for putting it out there. Heck, at least it is generating comments which makes this part of the site more interesting. The site really needs more interaction, comments, posts, fish reports, etc. Don't be shy
My "two cents" input on this matter and is only my opinion and did not based from a conservative web site or liberal website. If someone wears a mask or not....it is their own personal decision. If someone wears a mask, it does not affect my life. There are warnings on almost everything we use or consume or even watch. Just like if someone wants to smoke cigarettes despite all the warnings, then that is their right and choice.
Live and let others live as people should be allowed to act on their own free will as long as it does not break the law.
But if someone breaks the law, then there has to be consequences. Without laws there would be anarchy. Definitely need tougher laws on those hoodlums(I cannot use a number of profanities, so that is the only word I could insert) breaking into retail stores and businesses everywhere. It is absolutely ridiculous!
Again, just my opinion.
