PSA don't let your kids eat lucky charms!

[Roncador]

So I recently found out that lucky charms and all other general mills cereal contain trisodium phosphate or tsp as some of us may know it. It's no wonder every time I eat these kinds of cereals I have really bad stomach issues afterwards. Stay safe folks and don't eat this poison!

[La Mesan]

"Nicotine is not addictive. Cigarettes are safe"

[Roncador]

"Nicotine is not addictive. Cigarettes are safe"

Haha no shi... bastards want us dead or at least "dead enough" to follow orders.

[Gotfish?]

The amount that is added to cereal is safe and present in other cereals too.

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=w ... PC=EDGEDSE

Sodium and phosphates are necessary for body function but most people get plenty of those already. As far as the healthy aspect, you would be much better off easting old fashioned slow cooking rolled or steel cut oats. More nutritious, much lower glycemic index, no additives to worry about and much less $.

[Roncador]

The amount that is added to cereal is safe and present in other cereals too.

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=w ... PC=EDGEDSE

Sodium and phosphates are necessary for body function but most people get plenty of those already. As far as the healthy aspect, you would be much better off easting old fashioned slow cooking rolled or steel cut oats. More nutritious, much lower glycemic index, no additives to worry about and much less $.

Frankly I don't care or trust what the government has to say is safe for me. Why should I trust the people that spray heavy metals on me and everyone else daily, the same people that have committed countless atrocities against its own citizens, Just look into MK ultra or the Tuskegee experiments and thats just two things. It's toxic if you get it in your mouth or eyes or two much on your skin, but a little tiny bit in my cereal is okay?

[Gotfish?]

You have lots of sodium, phosphorous and oxygen in your body already. As soon as trisodium phosphate comes into contact with water, it dissociates into sodium and phosphate anions and cations. Eat any food that has sodium and phosphates in it (most foods to some degree) and the same thing happens once it gets in your stomach (the acid environment there is enough to dissolve most phosphate bonds).

Just because something is toxic in large amounts does not make it toxic in small amounts. You can die from an overdose of water. Concentrated hydrochloric acid is much, much more dangerous than TSP but you stomach makes it for digestion. Taking too many vitamins or mineral supplements can be toxic. Thousands of children overdose each year on vitamins. https://www.livestrong.com/article/3738 ... -children/

It's the dose that matters in most instances. It's not a matter of what the government says. It's basic chemistry and medicine.

[camobass]

The amount that is added to cereal is safe and present in other cereals too.

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=w ... PC=EDGEDSE

Sodium and phosphates are necessary for body function but most people get plenty of those already. As far as the healthy aspect, you would be much better off easting old fashioned slow cooking rolled or steel cut oats. More nutritious, much lower glycemic index, no additives to worry about and much less $.

Frankly I don't care or trust what the government has to say is safe for me. Why should I trust the people that spray heavy metals on me and everyone else daily, the same people that have committed countless atrocities against its own citizens, Just look into MK ultra or the Tuskegee experiments and thats just two things. It's toxic if you get it in your mouth or eyes or two much on your skin, but a little tiny bit in my cereal is okay?

You hit the nail on the head but you are wasting your time. The links will overwhelm you

[Roncador]

You have lots of sodium, phosphorous and oxygen in your body already. As soon as trisodium phosphate comes into contact with water, it dissociates into sodium and phosphate anions and cations. Eat any food that has sodium and phosphates in it (most foods to some degree) and the same thing happens once it gets in your stomach (the acid environment there is enough to dissolve most phosphate bonds).

Just because something is toxic in large amounts does not make it toxic in small amounts. You can die from an overdose of water. Concentrated hydrochloric acid is much, much more dangerous than TSP but you stomach makes it for digestion. Taking too many vitamins or mineral supplements can be toxic. Thousands of children overdose each year on vitamins. https://www.livestrong.com/article/3738 ... -children/

It's the dose that matters in most instances. It's not a matter of what the government says. It's basic chemistry and medicine.

Look I am well aware that just about anything can kill you, but to try and convince me that tsp is less toxic than my own stomach acid that my body produces is absurd to me I don't care if it is "science" hell science nowadays says I could transition to a damn lesbian seagull if I wanted to. Here's a screenshot of the symptoms for trisodium phosphate poisoning. All the gastro issues listed ive experienced minus puking blood. I don't get the runs for two days after eating a steak or blood in my stool, but eat some lucky charms or some other bs cereal and I'm down for the count. Your not gonna convince me that it's not bad when I've experienced it first hand.

[HookEmDanO]

prepare for more links

[HookEmDanO]

[Roncador]

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Special edition seafood flavored marshmallows, includes toy hahaha..

[Gotfish?]

You have lots of sodium, phosphorous and oxygen in your body already. As soon as trisodium phosphate comes into contact with water, it dissociates into sodium and phosphate anions and cations. Eat any food that has sodium and phosphates in it (most foods to some degree) and the same thing happens once it gets in your stomach (the acid environment there is enough to dissolve most phosphate bonds).

Just because something is toxic in large amounts does not make it toxic in small amounts. You can die from an overdose of water. Concentrated hydrochloric acid is much, much more dangerous than TSP but you stomach makes it for digestion. Taking too many vitamins or mineral supplements can be toxic. Thousands of children overdose each year on vitamins. https://www.livestrong.com/article/3738 ... -children/

It's the dose that matters in most instances. It's not a matter of what the government says. It's basic chemistry and medicine.

Look I am well aware that just about anything can kill you, but to try and convince me that tsp is less toxic than my own stomach acid that my body produces is absurd to me I don't care if it is "science" hell science nowadays says I could transition to a damn lesbian seagull if I wanted to. Here's a screenshot of the symptoms for trisodium phosphate poisoning. All the gastro issues listed ive experienced minus puking blood. I don't get the runs for two days after eating a steak or blood in my stool, but eat some lucky charms or some other bs cereal and I'm down for the count. Your not gonna convince me that it's not bad when I've experienced it first hand.
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No one is trying to convince you that Lucky Charms are good for you. Read my reply more carefully. Just that it isn't TSP that is causing your problem. Most foods contain sodium and phosphates already.

Got it, no amount of facts or reason will change your mind.
You have not offered any kind of evidence that the trace amount of TSP in Lucky Charms is causing your problems, no double blind controlled tests or even your own experiments. I don't eat the stuff, way too processed and packed with sugar for me. And there are lots of other foods with TSP as an ingredient too (other cereals, processed meats, cheese).

For those who are open to facts and reason:

LD50 for table salt (sodium chloride) is 3g/kg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose
LD50 for TSP is 6.5 g/kg https://www.thejanitorscloset.com/img/p ... 0non-toxic
LD50 for hydrochloric acid: .7g/kg https://www.lsuhsc.edu/Admin/PFM/EHS/do ... %20hour%29

All are oral doses. Values may change depending on test method (rabbit, rat, oral, vapor, etc.)

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
― Jonathan Swift

[Roncador]

You have lots of sodium, phosphorous and oxygen in your body already. As soon as trisodium phosphate comes into contact with water, it dissociates into sodium and phosphate anions and cations. Eat any food that has sodium and phosphates in it (most foods to some degree) and the same thing happens once it gets in your stomach (the acid environment there is enough to dissolve most phosphate bonds).

Just because something is toxic in large amounts does not make it toxic in small amounts. You can die from an overdose of water. Concentrated hydrochloric acid is much, much more dangerous than TSP but you stomach makes it for digestion. Taking too many vitamins or mineral supplements can be toxic. Thousands of children overdose each year on vitamins. https://www.livestrong.com/article/3738 ... -children/

It's the dose that matters in most instances. It's not a matter of what the government says. It's basic chemistry and medicine.

Look I am well aware that just about anything can kill you, but to try and convince me that tsp is less toxic than my own stomach acid that my body produces is absurd to me I don't care if it is "science" hell science nowadays says I could transition to a damn lesbian seagull if I wanted to. Here's a screenshot of the symptoms for trisodium phosphate poisoning. All the gastro issues listed ive experienced minus puking blood. I don't get the runs for two days after eating a steak or blood in my stool, but eat some lucky charms or some other bs cereal and I'm down for the count. Your not gonna convince me that it's not bad when I've experienced it first hand.
Screenshot_20230902_214435_Chrome.jpg

No one is trying to convince you that Lucky Charms are good for you. Read my reply more carefully. Just that it isn't TSP that is causing your problem. Most foods contain sodium and phosphates already.

Got it, no amount of facts or reason will change your mind.
You have not offered any kind of evidence that the trace amount of TSP in Lucky Charms is causing your problems, no double blind controlled tests or even your own experiments. I don't eat the stuff, way too processed and packed with sugar for me. And there are lots of other foods with TSP as an ingredient too (other cereals, processed meats, cheese).

For those who are open to facts and reason:

LD50 for table salt (sodium chloride) is 3g/kg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose
LD50 for TSP is 6.5 g/kg https://www.thejanitorscloset.com/img/p ... 0non-toxic
LD50 for hydrochloric acid: .7g/kg https://www.lsuhsc.edu/Admin/PFM/EHS/do ... %20hour%29

All are oral doses. Values may change depending on test method (rabbit, rat, oral, vapor, etc.)

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
― Jonathan Swift

I never said you were trying to convince me that lucky charms are good for you. I mentioned tsp, now your just putting words in my mouth. You also said to read your reply, I did and thoroughly. I also gave you my own personal experience is that not evidence enough? I am not a science denier in fact I love the truth, I just take common sense allot more seriously than some wiki link. Almost anyone can go in and change those articles. According to the info you listed one would have to ingest 6.5kg of tsp to die, ok seems pretty reasonable. I just read that article you got that info from, according to them in small amounts it's safe. Same thing you said previously. Welp, I don't buy it. I dont eat the stuff anymore but nobody should be getting bloody diarrhea from a bowl of cereal. Thats plenty evidence enough for ME. Wikipedia also says that flouride is safe to consume, have we forgotten that the nazis used that stuff in the concentration camps to keep the jews docile and prevent them from revolting. They put that stuff in damn near everything, our milk, water suply, toothpaste, baby products, ect ect. "Dont worry folks it makes your teeth stronger." Also why the heck am I gonna be doing experiments on myself to see the effects of lucky charms on my body, I mean c'mon man get real who do you think I am. What normal 21 y/o would do such a thing. First off I just don't care and certainly dont care to eat anymore of the stuff. Secondly, I'm just too busy at work most days helping people catch fish.

[Gotfish?]

This is hilarious, after being on the market since '64, folks started panicking about Lucky Charms: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... real-scare

There's no way I can win an argument against Mr. Nocebo.

At least no one has yet died from Lucky Charms. Yet.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2015 ... f-to-death
https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/voodo ... rspective/

FYI, if 6.5kg is the LD50 dose for you, that implies you weigh 1000kg or 2200 lbs. A new record, beating existing records by >2:1! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... 04%20lb%29. Time for your own reality show.

FYI, Wikipedia does not say unlimited amounts of fluoride are safe to consume. Just like unlimited amounts of salt, HCL, TSP or water are not safe to consume.

Clearly, your problem is that you are not buying the Limited Edition of Lucky Charms. 4.5/5 rating.
https://www.amazon.com/Lucky-Charms-Lim ... B08HLC944G

[camobass]

“It’s useless to attempt to reason with a fool out of a thing he’s been fooled in to” - anonymous

[Gotfish?]

You have lots of sodium, phosphorous and oxygen in your body already. As soon as trisodium phosphate comes into contact with water, it dissociates into sodium and phosphate anions and cations. Eat any food that has sodium and phosphates in it (most foods to some degree) and the same thing happens once it gets in your stomach (the acid environment there is enough to dissolve most phosphate bonds).

Just because something is toxic in large amounts does not make it toxic in small amounts. You can die from an overdose of water. Concentrated hydrochloric acid is much, much more dangerous than TSP but you stomach makes it for digestion. Taking too many vitamins or mineral supplements can be toxic. Thousands of children overdose each year on vitamins. https://www.livestrong.com/article/3738 ... -children/

It's the dose that matters in most instances. It's not a matter of what the government says. It's basic chemistry and medicine.

Look I am well aware that just about anything can kill you, but to try and convince me that tsp is less toxic than my own stomach acid that my body produces is absurd to me I don't care if it is "science" hell science nowadays says I could transition to a damn lesbian seagull if I wanted to. Here's a screenshot of the symptoms for trisodium phosphate poisoning. All the gastro issues listed ive experienced minus puking blood. I don't get the runs for two days after eating a steak or blood in my stool, but eat some lucky charms or some other bs cereal and I'm down for the count. Your not gonna convince me that it's not bad when I've experienced it first hand.
Screenshot_20230902_214435_Chrome.jpg

No one is trying to convince you that Lucky Charms are good for you. Read my reply more carefully. Just that it isn't TSP that is causing your problem. Most foods contain sodium and phosphates already.

Got it, no amount of facts or reason will change your mind.
You have not offered any kind of evidence that the trace amount of TSP in Lucky Charms is causing your problems, no double blind controlled tests or even your own experiments. I don't eat the stuff, way too processed and packed with sugar for me. And there are lots of other foods with TSP as an ingredient too (other cereals, processed meats, cheese).

For those who are open to facts and reason:

LD50 for table salt (sodium chloride) is 3g/kg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose
LD50 for TSP is 6.5 g/kg https://www.thejanitorscloset.com/img/p ... 0non-toxic
LD50 for hydrochloric acid: .7g/kg https://www.lsuhsc.edu/Admin/PFM/EHS/do ... %20hour%29

All are oral doses. Values may change depending on test method (rabbit, rat, oral, vapor, etc.)

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
― Jonathan Swift

I never said you were trying to convince me that lucky charms are good for you. I mentioned tsp, now your just putting words in my mouth. You also said to read your reply, I did and thoroughly. I also gave you my own personal experience is that not evidence enough? I am not a science denier in fact I love the truth, I just take common sense allot more seriously than some wiki link. Almost anyone can go in and change those articles. According to the info you listed one would have to ingest 6.5kg of tsp to die, ok seems pretty reasonable. I just read that article you got that info from, according to them in small amounts it's safe. Same thing you said previously. Welp, I don't buy it. I dont eat the stuff anymore but nobody should be getting bloody diarrhea from a bowl of cereal. Thats plenty evidence enough for ME. Wikipedia also says that flouride is safe to consume, have we forgotten that the nazis used that stuff in the concentration camps to keep the jews docile and prevent them from revolting. They put that stuff in damn near everything, our milk, water suply, toothpaste, baby products, ect ect. "Dont worry folks it makes your teeth stronger." Also why the heck am I gonna be doing experiments on myself to see the effects of lucky charms on my body, I mean c'mon man get real who do you think I am. What normal 21 y/o would do such a thing. First off I just don't care and certainly dont care to eat anymore of the stuff. Secondly, I'm just too busy at work most days helping people catch fish.

FYI, your "bloody" diarrhea was just food dye from Lucky Charms if it went away. Nothing to do with TSP. As far as diarrhea, most people have it occasionally, not always for obvious reasons.

As I said, I never eat the stuff, oatmeal is a much better choice for a lot of reasons.

[HookEmDanO]

As I said, I never eat the stuff, oatmeal is a much better choice for a lot of reasons.

any links on that ?

[Gotfish?]

As I said, I never eat the stuff, oatmeal is a much better choice for a lot of reasons.

any links on that ?

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=w ... PC=EDGEDSE

[Gotfish?]

This gets even funnier. Once company sells a supplement to improve endurance race performance. The main ingredient (get ready for this): TSP.

https://hammernutrition.com/products/ra ... 1327545579

Doubtful they would get repeat business if it really caused bloody diarrhea.

[camobass]

Gotfish. You might as well start slamming the broken windows…crystal meth. By your logic, in moderation that stuff won’t kill you. Even though the ingredients are harmful, the damage will be minimal if you use it here and there.

Scratch that… the links you ingest daily are way more harmful