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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:23 am
by Just_Bass
Matching the hatch or not I don’t care as long as it getting bite, cast great and look good to me. I’ll buy that LOL. I love when it matching my gears though.

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:01 am
by camobass
Nice!

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:47 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:39 am
by camobass
No facts ignored…. You’re quoting the wrong member in the beginning of your expert opinion…

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:53 am
by camobass
senkosam wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:47 am Just_Bass and I are on the same page for every aspect of fishing such as:
Great thing about bass (and most fish) is that they will strike baits that don't look anything like natural forage. Anyone who has ever visited a fish hatchery, had an aquarium or seen a pond feeder can attest that fish can be trained to eat featureless pellets. This is not to say that they can't be conditioned or evolve to avoid lures.

One reply stated the lures mimic live prey and name those prey mimicked yet ignore the fact that:
1. most lures are unnatural-looking and moving manmade objects
examples: spinnerbait with bright flashing blade(s) and fluttering skirt
wacky-rigged Senko waddling its way to the bottom
large-lipped crankbaits that have a wide side-to-side action and rattles not present in prey not to mention those inedible clanking treble hooks
small-lipped Rapala with its X-body motion
Zara Spook's rhythmic swishing back-&-forth, back-&-forth, back-&-forth - unlike and prey I've seen
curl tail grub with its steady whip-tail motion
skirted jig with an Uncle Josh #4 porkfrog - a flat piece of pork rind with triangular shaped flapping legs
A Mepps Spinner with its flashing blade and skirt of feather or fur. (like a hairy minnow??)
jerkworm that whips back & forth near the surface

Lure making companies have spouted lure mimicry for decades and suggesting that a lure resembles a prey animal ignores the fact that fish are dumber than dirt! as indicated by how many unnatural looking and moving objects fish strike since lures were first invented. Naming a lure is like putting lipstick on a pig and giving it a woman's name. Only a fool would want to kiss it! (...or pervert)

But getting back to the possible reason fish strike unnatural-looking, unnaturally-moving man=crafted objects. First and foremost:
1.LURE ACTION is # 1 !
Fish are super-sensitive via the bladder and lateral line to motion of any kind be it a bug on the surface or a crawfish on the bottom. Lure action + size + shape dictate what fish will strike, when and where. Do they think about what the object is before striking it? A fish's brain would have to be capable of remembering names and associating them with prey and lures - something the human brain is capable of (at least most human brains : ).

2. Why are some lures struck far more than others?
Remember the unique combination of action/shape/size? Some lure got it some don't. The soft plastics I cast get hit more than any lure I own by all size fish and all fish species. I'm talking 6 lb catfish, 4"- 4 lb bass, 14" crappie, white and yellow perch, larger-than-a hand sunfish, 6 lb white sucker, etc. What do fish have in common: a nature-given bully nature intolerant of different objects that pass into their immediate space. If fish had hands, swatting vs biting would be the normal response.

3. Various lure actions fall between subtle and extreme or IOW - finesse vs flashy, noisy, in-their-face. A trout fly is super subtle; a crankbait slamming rocks on the bottom not so much. One or the other of both may generate strikes on any given day. No point in carrying around 50 lures when just a few will do.

4. Color - hue or brightness/opacity
I've caught fish using clear plastic hard or soft plastic lures. No lure ever made nor no line ever cast is invisible in water. Light reflection and refraction make it so. Does line color or clarity matter to fish even in clear water? Not in my experience. Do some lure colors matter more when it comes to the strike? Maybe but only if a lure's shape and action are emphasized - NOTHING MORE!
What a fish sees only confirms what it feels, and those two senses allow the hunter-nature of fish to track and then provoke a fish to attack something for the simple reason that is can!

I've posted photos of hundreds of fish caught on a variety of lure (also for the reasons Just_Bass keeps a photo log). I have stored on my PC over a thousand photos to remind me of the above and keep track of what worked consistently from water to water. Pictures don't lie and neither should you! (...at least to yourself.)
Spinner bait= bait fish, small bait ball

Wacky rigged senko= many variables, bait fish, falling baitfish, invertebrate or vertebrate falling off a tree or bush, crippled prey, etc. when on the bottom, invertebrate etc

Large lipped crank, small lipped rapala= pretty easy, bait fish. Large lipped look just like Shad feeding along the bottom, especially slow rolled.

Zara spook= another easy one, you ever see bait fish on the surface, feeding or being fed on?

Curly tail grub= baitfish, invertebrate/cray fish,

Jig/trailer= cray fish. Swim jig=bait fish

Spinner= bait fish.

Maybe all aren’t spitting images but they are close representations of NATURAL forage

You left out a few other techniques/baits…

Even yours= small invertebrates, bugs and baitfish

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:49 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:05 pm
by camobass
I’ve seen your folders you’ve posted countless times with far off weights- Everyone has. You’re the expert! I stand corrected as well as everyone else. Make Fishing Great Again!!! Maybe not in New York….

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:57 pm
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:29 pm
by Gotfish?
Lately I have been doing best with Ned rigs which have almost no action and resemble duck droppings (i.e. the Z-man TRD soft plastic tails) if anything. Dead sticking for at least a few seconds to a minute before moving the bait can be a killer move. Fresh cow pie green (green pumpkin) is a good color too. Sometimes ugly and less action is better.

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:43 pm
by camobass
You’re right spoonminnow, you’re the expert.

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:07 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:25 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:34 am
by camobass
Like I said, you’re the expert. Just like your comment on Gotfish’s post about Ned rig fishing and relating it to suspended fish. You’re definitely an expert if your catching suspended fish on a ned rig, NO DOUBT!!!

Maybe you should start a new thread. This thread was a humble proclamation of “not being an expert” by Just_Bass

Maybe start one “I AM the expert”. You then can show all us California anglers who pursue big bass in extremely pressured small bodies of waters, how to catch juvenile bass and panfish with your techniques from low pressured waters on the whole other side of the continent in New York. It will no doubt be the greatest blessing to us. Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your post.

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:16 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:04 pm
by camobass
You’re the expert!

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:22 pm
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:48 pm
by Gotfish?
Senkosam states:
Lure making companies have spouted lure mimicry for decades and suggesting that a lure resembles a prey animal ignores the fact that fish are dumber than dirt! as indicated by how many unnatural looking and moving objects fish strike since lures were first invented.

So if fish are dumber than dirt, what does that say about fishermen that can't catch them (all of us at times)? Try fishing in ultra clear water sometime. I have seen trout at the bottom of a stream ignore every dry and wet fly thrown at them and then race to the top to grab a grasshopper that fell in. Or about >20 bass in a clear cove at Miramar Lake that would swim up to my dropshot, take a look and then swim away. Or tuna crashing on chum in the ocean all around the boat but not touching a hooked bait. And then explain why if fish are line shy, why do they bite heavy wire contraptions like Alabama rigs, Tokyo rigs and spinnerbaits? Seems like they are always in the mood for live bait without a hook and line attached and only sometimes in the mood for our offerings.

At least in murky water you can pretend the fish weren't around when the bite is slow.

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:52 pm
by camobass
senkosam wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:22 pm What is your definition of an expert angler?
You!!! You have all the facts! Especially the “fact” nothing you write starts with “In my opinion” for example. It’s just the facts! - High lighted in BOLD FONTS. How can anyone else have an opinion? You’ve tried it all! You ARE the expert. All us other anglers, especially us that like to fish realistic swim baits for example are fools and waste our money, stated by you, THE EXPERT!

Before I had a career ending injury, I made a living from fishing. Still never considered my self an expert.

In my opinion, if you had a way more humble approach in your posts all over the globe, you’d have more positive responses. You’ll catch more bees with honey than vinegar…

What do I know, I’m not an expert…I’ve been fishing since I was 5, I just love to fish….

Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:05 am
by senkosam
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Re: I’m not an expert.

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:27 am
by senkosam
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